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Robert Shepherd's avatar

I am a big Wittgenstein stan – a Wittgen-stan – but I suspect LLMs can still play language games well.

As long as they’re trained on enough writing or speech, and can calculate the correlations between words in the way that they do, then I would think language games would emerge just like any other characteristic of language.

It would be true that there’s nothing *behind* the language itself— if the LLM says “you’re not literally on fire” because you said “I’m literally on fire,” it is not feeling the mischievous thing a person might when they swap from one game to another. But they can do a phantom simulacrum of it, I think.

And I think that’s important, because I worry that loads of language is a phantom simulacrum anyway. I always think of the announcement I once heard in a toilet on a train, where a jolly voice said “we hope you are enjoying your experience!”

And of course, that’s not true really; there is no “we.” There’s not a group of human beings somewhere going “I really hope Robert likes our toilets,” or at least I hope there isn’t. But the voice works because it creates the phantom of a relational experience exactly as an LLM might— plausibly with no one involved in all this ever really thinking about it; thinking about how it is weird.

I suppose LLMs have been unnerving for me in that way as well as all the other ways? It feels like language might always have been capable of sounding like there’s a person behind it, even when there’s not. Which is scary for a lot of reasons, not least because of how I have to use it to convince the world I am a person. And the harder that gets the more I think about the beetle in the box, whether anyone can see my beetle, whether the box I’m talking to contains a beetle at all

Wendlyn Alter's avatar

If I understand this correctly, it assumes that humans really do communicate with each other through language, while what we do with LLMs doesn't rise to the level of communication. However, my personal experience of communicating with other humans is that we are most of the time talking past each other. We're lost in our own cherished worldview which we're eager to offer to others while being very little interested in their own. We use the same words but mean very different things by them, without realizing it. Humans do a lot of talking, but in the final analysis, very little communicating.

Is this really so superior to what we do with LLMs? At least they're polite to us.

They even pretend to listen. Not a single one of my friends is the least bit interested in discussing Latour's Actor-Network Theory or Bourdieu's concept of habitus. Even those dearest to me will cut me off in the middle of my sentence and change the subject.

Claude, on the other hand, will engage at length and in depth, encouraging me ("That's a good question!"), pointing me in fresh directions and inviting my further response. Claude never gets bored, never shrugs me off as a mere woman who couldn't possibly have anything to say worth listening to.

Say what you will about it not being real "listening" - it's still better than anything I get from live humans. I'll settle for it gladly.

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